NS Cliches: Rebooted

by **Valentine Z** » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:20 am

I have a tab open to show the threads I participate in - "View your posts". Sidebar is... it's mostly the thing that attracts attention. More often bad than good.

by **Baizou** » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:29 am

Aureumterra III wrote:
Aikoland wrote:Who actually uses the goddamn sidebar though?

slowly raises hand

S-sometimes the topic name sounds too interesting to ignore! I usually regret clicking into it anyway, yet the inscrutable dictates of curiosity can be overpowering... ^~^;

by **Aureumterra III** » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:42 am

Baizou wrote:
Aureumterra III wrote:slowly raises hand

S-sometimes the topic name sounds too interesting to ignore! I usually regret clicking into it anyway, yet the inscrutable dictates of curiosity can be overpowering... ^~^;

This is actually how I find most RP threads I partake in

by **Austria-Bohemia-Hungary** » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:14 am

Something I've noticed:
OP's who make threads with apps and then never actually review the applicants, instead just accepting everybody willynilly... I mean if you were gonna have the thread open to everybody and their grandmothers whyfor the app?

by **Dayganistan** » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:36 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Something I've noticed:
OP's who make threads with apps and then never actually review the applicants, instead just acceoting everybody willynilly... I mean if you were gonna have the thread open to everybody and their grandmothers whyfor the app?

This is often combined with a "no one liners" rule which is not actually enforced.

by **Savroyska** » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:39 am

People probably make one-liners due to the fear of getting ninja'd.

by **Aureumterra III** » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:39 am

Savroyska wrote:People probably make one-liners due to the fear of getting ninja'd.

Ninja’d in RP?

by **Savroyska** » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:40 am

Aureumterra III wrote:
Savroyska wrote:People probably make one-liners due to the fear of getting ninja'd.

Ninja’d in RP?

...oh wait.

by **Atheris** » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:41 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Something I've noticed:
OP's who make threads with apps and then never actually review the applicants, instead just accepting everybody willynilly... I mean if you were gonna have the thread open to everybody and their grandmothers whyfor the app?

Oh my God, that reminds me of the time Sharifistan held one of those weird bride RP's and one of my friends (jokingly) submitted Astolfo. You know, the femboy from that one anime.

He got in.

by **Foehn Paramilitary Regions** » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:58 am

Savroyska wrote:People probably make one-liners due to the fear of getting ninja'd.

Getting ninja'd in F7? In my experience, that's the thing you should least be concerned about, to be honest. Just write something that isn't just your generic one-liner, and if you can make it be multiple paragraphs, good. Write your post, hit preview every now and then, and if you get ninja'd before you can post, rewrite your post. Trust me, it makes everyone happier, especially those who spend a fuckton of time writing their lore, because it makes them think that their stay in Forum 7 is much more worth it than it probably actually is. And I'm speaking from my own experience right here.

As for forum RPs? The concept of getting ninja'd, at least in ones that have a bare standard of quality, is pretty much non-existent. Write a lot of paragraphs, go full monke on what you're writing, as long as it abides by the RP's rules and quality standards. Does it matter if other people have posted before you have? It can, but most of the time, posts tend to have a few days of delay between them.

Overall, write, write, write! Even if you get ninja'd, it'll make good practice for when you have to write more lore for your nation.

by **Savroyska** » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:08 pm

Foehn Paramilitary Regions wrote:
Savroyska wrote:People probably make one-liners due to the fear of getting ninja'd.

Getting ninja'd in F7? In my experience, that's the thing you should least be concerned about, to be honest. Just write something that isn't just your generic one-liner, and if you can make it be multiple paragraphs, good. Write your post, hit preview every now and then, and if you get ninja'd before you can post, rewrite your post. Trust me, it makes everyone happier, especially those who spend a fuckton of time writing their lore, because it makes them think that their stay in Forum 7 is much more worth it than it probably actually is. And I'm speaking from my own experience right here.

As for forum RPs? The concept of getting ninja'd, at least in ones that have a bare standard of quality, is pretty much non-existent. Write a lot of paragraphs, go full monke on what you're writing, as long as it abides by the RP's rules and quality standards. Does it matter if other people have posted before you have? It can, but most of the time, posts tend to have a few days of delay between them.

Overall, write, write, write! Even if you get ninja'd, it'll make good practice for when you have to write more lore for your nation.

I- I uh totally don't spend hours writing lores to random ideas...

by **Laka Strolistandiler** » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:36 pm

Honestly I can’t stop laughing when nation’s pages always link low crime rates to “a capable police force and progressive social policies” even when the nation in question is a psychotic dictatorship- I have my doubts that police essentially being an internal army is a “progressive social policy”

by **Valentine Z** » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:50 pm

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Honestly I can’t stop laughing when nation’s pages always link low crime rates to “a capable police force and progressive social policies” even when the nation in question is a psychotic dictatorship- I have my doubts that police essentially being an internal army is a “progressive social policy”

In its defense, if I use Welfare vs Compliance vs Law Enforcement (I will assume that Welfare includes Social Policies), you will get a graph like this:

There are only 12000+ data points because I filtered it to only show nations under "Psychotic Dictatorship" category. For more complete set of data including other categories:

Which also shows that highlighted nations like above has absolutely no welfare spent. And if you look at ap0calypse, it does say "Thanks to its Police Force", minus the Social Programs. So it's probably because you still have existent welfare (> 0).

Of course, NS stats can either be accurate or inaccurate and discarded depending on how you play your nation. As for myself, doing these types of analysis gives me life. ♥

by **Zeloria** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:56 am

Valentine Z wrote:snip

How many of these graphs do you have? Do you have one that for instance, compares the pizza delivery industry of a nation with which letter their name starts with?

by **Valentine Z** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:18 am

Zeloria wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:snip

How many of these graphs do you have? Do you have one that for instance, compares the pizza delivery industry of a nation with which letter their name starts with?

Technically, the amount of graphs I have are kind of limitless, and yes, if I want to, I can do that as well. This is perhaps the most unusual graph I have been requested.
I have data for 300+ columns of stats, along with 200,000+ rows of nations, so... yeah, pretty huge data.

by **Zeloria** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:27 am

Valentine Z wrote:
Zeloria wrote:
How many of these graphs do you have? Do you have one that for instance, compares the pizza delivery industry of a nation with which letter their name starts with?

Technically, the amount of graphs I have are kind of limitless, and yes, if I want to, I can do that as well. This is perhaps the most unusual graph I have been requested.
I have data for 300+ columns of stats, along with 200,000+ rows of nations, so... yeah, pretty huge data.

*insert correlation and causation joke about nations starting with letters delivering more pizzas then those starting with a number.

by **Austria-Bohemia-Hungary** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:28 am

there's a guy in GE&T doing all sorts of algorithm things with game stats... just looking at them makes my brain go BSOD lmao.

by **Valentine Z** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:55 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:there's a guy in GE&T doing all sorts of algorithm things with game stats... just looking at them makes my brain go BSOD lmao.

I might have heard of that one, and am actually going to add that into my existing data. Since it just needs the current NS Stats, I should be good. ♥

by **Laka Strolistandiler** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:06 am

Here’s another cliche, albeit quite a modern one: for God knows what reason whenever they roleplay one of these new civil wars in II they ALWAYS execute POW’s in extreme or absurd numbers. Like it seems to me that the sole purpose of such RP’s for them are the executions. Just recently in response to me sending like 6 planes to disable some infrastructure enemy player wrote that he captured more than 10K of my POW’s, despite me having less than 500 men participating in the war. More over than that they never try to interrogate POW’s, roleplay escapes (movie The Great Escape was pretty badass NGL), or try to get some information out of them, no, they ALWAYS execute them. I’m still wondering why.

by **Dayganistan** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:45 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Here’s another cliche, albeit quite a modern one: for God knows what reason whenever they roleplay one of these new civil wars in II they ALWAYS execute POW’s in extreme or absurd numbers. Like it seems to me that the sole purpose of such RP’s for them are the executions. Just recently in response to me sending like 6 planes to disable some infrastructure enemy player wrote that he captured more than 10K of my POW’s, despite me having less than 500 men participating in the war. More over than that they never try to interrogate POW’s, roleplay escapes (movie The Great Escape was pretty badass NGL), or try to get some information out of them, no, they ALWAYS execute them. I’m still wondering why.

Because the only real life civil war most of these summerposter kiddies know is Syria so they imitate that.

by **Grotesque Spore Creatures** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:56 am

Dayganistan wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Here’s another cliche, albeit quite a modern one: for God knows what reason whenever they roleplay one of these new civil wars in II they ALWAYS execute POW’s in extreme or absurd numbers. Like it seems to me that the sole purpose of such RP’s for them are the executions. Just recently in response to me sending like 6 planes to disable some infrastructure enemy player wrote that he captured more than 10K of my POW’s, despite me having less than 500 men participating in the war. More over than that they never try to interrogate POW’s, roleplay escapes (movie The Great Escape was pretty badass NGL), or try to get some information out of them, no, they ALWAYS execute them. I’m still wondering why.

Because the only real life civil war most of these summerposter kiddies know is Syria so they imitate that.

The reasons civil wars drag on so long:

Guerrilla warfare
Foreign intervention

If one side in a modern civil war didn't know how to properly utilize guerrilla warfare if cornered then they're pretty screwed. Likewise, Syria, Libya and Yemen have lasted for so long due to foreign intervention, and the fact the federal government's central army is virtually nonexistent.
After all, there is a reason civil wars in the Information Era and the late Cold War often lasted decades, while those in the early Cold War and World Wars often only lasted a few years (i.e. the Spanish Civil War and the late phase (post-ww2) Chinese Civil War, although both have had resistance continuing for decades)

On the topic of the Chinese Civil War, civil wars with multiple intermission periods are also rare here on NS.

by **Laka Strolistandiler** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:09 am

Grotesque spore creatures wrote:
Dayganistan wrote:Because the only real life civil war most of these summerposter kiddies know is Syria so they imitate that.

The reasons civil wars drag on so long:
Guerrilla warfare
Foreign intervention

If one side in a modern civil war didn't know how to properly utilize guerrilla warfare if cornered then they're pretty screwed. Likewise, Syria, Libya and Yemen have lasted for so long due to foreign intervention, and the fact the federal government's central army is virtually nonexistent.
After all, there is a reason civil wars in the Information Era and the late Cold War often lasted decades, while those in the early Cold War and World Wars often only lasted a few years (i.e. the Spanish Civil War and the late phase (post-ww2) Chinese Civil War, although both have had resistance continuing for decades)

On the topic of the Chinese Civil War, civil wars with multiple intermission periods are also rare here on NS.

Usually summer civil wars end simply with a peace treaty and that’s it. I can’t even say how absurd that is…

by **Dayganistan** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:22 pm

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Usually summer civil wars end simply with a peace treaty and that’s it. I can’t even say how absurd that is…

Probably because I feel like, in all honesty, a lot of them are glorified versions of saying "hey NS decide if my nation should be communist, fascist or democratic."

12 March 2022

Dayganistan wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Usually summer civil wars end simply with a peace treaty and that’s it. I can’t even say how absurd that is…

Probably because I feel like, in all honesty, a lot of them are glorified versions of saying "hey NS decide if my nation should be communist, fascist or democratic."

That's when we more seasoned NSers swoop in and declare all of their territories to be our vassals.

by **Netherlands Australia** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:41 pm

Civil wars are overrated. Now coups? Those I could get behind.

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